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PostPosted: September 23rd, 2020, 11:35 am 
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Years ago, if I remember correctly, there was a provision in the then current law that if an Internet station played copyrighted music under certain limitations of artist/album/song played less frequently within a certain timeframe, that paying royalties were not required.

In todays world, I am certain that those loopholes do not exist. However, I cannot seem to find where to get definitive royalty information for an Internet radio station that does not have any income and never has more than 5-10 listeners and streams a wide selection of randomly SAMBC generated playlists.

I know about the services that one can run their station through the service's portal and pay royalties from that, but I really do not want to do that, preferring to stream direct. One of them went defunct over a year ago.

Can anyone give me an idea of what the current rules are? Or point me to a definitive source to get those rules?

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PostPosted: September 25th, 2020, 10:57 am 
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The definitive source for all that information is the law of your country.
I presume you're from the US, so for you that is the Copyright law of the United States of America aka Title 17 of the United States Code + several amendments. (As far as I understand it, the original copyright law from 1976 is called Title 17 and each of the amendments updates/adds parts to it, so to be super pedantic you'd have to read the original copyright law and then check the amendments in order to see which parts of the original and earlier amendments is still valid and what was updated/replaced/added later on, but thankfully there's this neat document where some US-authority has collected all the updates and compiled a human readable version - I barely understand anything in there, but that's probably because english is not my first language and has nothing to do with it being legalese bullshit)
https://www.copyright.gov/title17/title17.pdf

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PostPosted: September 25th, 2020, 11:21 am 
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Maybe I misunderstood. So the 448 page document you sent a link on is the human readable version? You don't understand it, not because English isn't your first language, but because NOBODY can understand it. That's why there are lawyers.

Has anyone on this forum done a simple analysis on the current US copyright law and royalties as it pertains to streaming music? I would assume that there are streamers that do not generate revenue but stream music outside of the services like StreamLicensing which is no longer.

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PostPosted: September 25th, 2020, 6:39 pm 
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Maybe I misunderstood. So the 448 page document you sent a link on is the human readable version?

As far as I understand it, yes. The real version would be the text from 1976 and about 10 more 50-100 page documents describing the changes to whatever that law from 1976 said.

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You don't understand it, not because English isn't your first language, but because NOBODY can understand it. That's why there are lawyers.

I guess one would need to understand the basics of how the US government and jurisdiction works, but this honestly looks like it's a different language to english.

This is way different from what German legal documents look like to me. Those are usually fine if you know about the general way they are written and have a few crossreferences at hand. (There's even HTML versions of most if not all German laws with embedded links to mentioned other laws.)

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PostPosted: October 24th, 2020, 4:41 am 
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If you paid Streamlicensing, apparently they pocketed the money, got sued by ASCAP, BMI, et al, and got out of Dodge.


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PostPosted: October 27th, 2020, 8:03 am 
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Isn't that awesome...

Would there be an alternative way to broadcast music legally, then? I'd look for it, but I'm overdue for a report on the state of the market for these Athens house https://tranio.com/greece/attica/athens/detached/ and have to work on that... But it should be done in a couple days, so in the worst case scenario, I'll look it up then.


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PostPosted: October 27th, 2020, 9:36 am 
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PostPosted: October 27th, 2020, 9:50 am 
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I don't think this vendor-specific forum is your best choice for looking for US-specific alternatives to broadcast licensing.
There's a Facebook group called Internet Radio Broadcasting Tech & Tips that also deals with licensing and there's generic forums like broadcastingworld that are more focused on the general "how to do broadcasting" than the product support we do here.

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