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PostPosted: June 18th, 2017, 6:48 pm 
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Hello All,
I tried to search if anyone has run into this problem using the streaming service RADIO dot CO and getting SAM broadcaster to interface with them to see "statistic relays"

Radio dot co. says that Sam Broadcaster will not interface with them. Maybe an update will be available later. Maybe not enough users of SAM are using RADIO dot CO. They seem like they're running without a blip 24/7 for me.

Sam Broadcaster beats the pants off of RadioDJ. Free doesn't mean anything to me.

Reliability and set-up and great sounding audio at 128kbs in stereo is my objective. Broadcasters using FM RF transmitters, would love this software and bypass the transmitter's audio processing and limiting circuits and use SAM broadcaster as the main and only processor. Even has pre-emphasis........sorry for the band-width / blogging / bragging of SAM Broadcaster Pro
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PostPosted: June 19th, 2017, 4:25 pm 
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Radio.co is expensive and their statement about not interfacing with SAM makes no sense.

The statistical relay grabs the stats from either the SHOUTcast server or ICEcast server.

There are many, many other Stream Hosts out there that have outstanding reviews and work with SAM / SHOUTcast / ICEcast.

Here is a list .. you might be better off by switching:
http://www.broadcastingworld.com/review ... m-hosting/

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PostPosted: June 19th, 2017, 6:49 pm 
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You can ENCODE to their servers using just the out of the box Shoutcast/Icecast encoders of SAM, but not access their statistics pages?
I mean, it's definitely possible to hide the default statistics endpoints from your customers, but that's quite some effort and will deprive the service of some value to the customers. Not sure why you would want to do that.

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PostPosted: August 22nd, 2017, 3:14 am 
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Hi,

Jamie here from Radio.co. Thought I would clarify how the system works with SAM Broadcaster's statistic relays.

Providers normally use SHOUTcast or Icecast servers as their broadcasting platforms. However, Radio.co is a bit different. It's custom built from the ground up, which means it might not have the correct protocols to talk with certain services. In this instance, Radio.co is not able to use SAM's statistic relays feature. However, we are working on improving the platform by pushing out new features on a regular basis. Got a suggestion? Let us know here: https://radio.co/feedback

Understandably, if you need this feature then I recommend Wavestreaming as mentioned by countrywesterndj here: http://www.broadcastingworld.com/review ... streaming/

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PostPosted: August 22nd, 2017, 4:53 pm 
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Here is an official response from RADIO DOT CO.

Statistic Relays:
Radio.co does not use standard Icecast or SHOUTcast to deliver the stream to listeners. As we have a worldwide CDN, we cannot provide the stats directly from the stream link, or provide the required admin page. As SAM Broadcaster's statistic relay function only works with standard http streaming configurations of Icecast and SHOUTcast, unfortunately there is little we can do to enable it.

If SAM wish to add Radio.co compatibility to their service, they can sure contact us to discuss it. We do provide a public facing API which contains the current connected listeners etc, this may be useful for them to include in their product.

Radio dot CO provides a web page. Do the inexpensive streaming services run commercials over YOUR programming? Do the inexpensive streaming services offer statistics of how many and location of listeners?
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PostPosted: August 22nd, 2017, 6:03 pm 
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As SAM Broadcaster's statistic relay function only works with standard http streaming configurations of Icecast and SHOUTcast, unfortunately there is little we can do to enable it.

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We do provide a public facing API which contains the current connected listeners etc,

This is contradicting.
You provide a public API for the connected listeners.
I understand that you cannot expose a Shoutcast/Icecast server to the public (probably because you don't use any of them for your infrastructure).
However for SAM (and other software compatible with those stream servers) to read the statistics, you don't need a Shoutcast / Icecast server, just like you don't need a Shoutcast/Icecast server to accept stream sources in that format.

The statistics part is especially easy if you already provide the data in any format.
You just need to put together an XML page containing the data in a certain format. (IIRC for shoutcast you have the public 7.xml/7.html and the admin.xml for more detailed statistics)
The XML formats of Shoutcast in version 2 are thoroughly documented. No idea about the formats of Shoutcast v1, but that format could be considered well known and either should be easy to provide.

I.e. if your API currently returns JSON or even an HTML page at radio.co/api/streamstats/<userid>/stats.json or stats.html (both completely made up, I've got no idea about how your API looks like), just add a radio.co/api/streamstats/<userid>/7.xml radio.co/api/streamstats/<userid>/7.html and radio.co/api/streamstats/<userid>/admin.xml with the proper formatting to make it look like it came from shoutcast/icecast.

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PostPosted: August 22nd, 2017, 6:55 pm 
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fredboogie wrote:
If SAM wish to add Radio.co compatibility to their service, they can sure contact us to discuss it.
The standard has been written and used by hundreds of thousands of stations / listeners for over 15 years. To ask Spacial to add in your oddball format is absurd. Remember, Betamax lost and VHS won.

fredboogie wrote:
Understandably, if you need this feature then I recommend Wavestreaming as mentioned by countrywesterndj here: http://www.broadcastingworld.com/review ... streaming
I never recommended Wavestreaming. I only listed a group of 100 or so Stream Hosts that have reviews and stream up-time listed. If I was to recommend a Stream Host, it would be: http://scs.ms or http://stream101.com

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fredboogie wrote:
scs.ms at 128kbps is outrageous! Stream101.com is more down to earth, but limited to 20 listeners
What are you talking about, outrageous ? The price at SCS.ms for 10,000 listeners is $34.95 a month. The price at radio.co for 10,000 listeners is $49 US per month.

SCS.ms is $0.90 US per 128 kbps listener and Stream101 is $0.96 US per 128 kbps listener.

How is costing less outrageous ? What am I missing here ?

You also need to consider the support aspect of the companies. Check out the reviews here:
http://www.broadcastingworld.com/review ... m-hosting/

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PostPosted: October 8th, 2017, 5:18 pm 
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hello countrywesterndj
I sent you a PM, explaining the error on the 're-post'.
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PostPosted: October 8th, 2017, 6:07 pm 
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As per our PM's, I have removed a 'blank' post by you and my response to it.

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PostPosted: October 8th, 2017, 7:05 pm 
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Hello,
I stand corrected. And made a mis-statement. countrywesrndj gave 2 links to streaming services as a small guide. SHOUTCAST Streaming the http://scs.ms IS a GREAT deal unlimited listeners and 128kbps.
My confusion was with the second link the STREAM101 dot com. They are 20 listeners limit.
NOW I see that I can even get a website for a lot cheaper! From STREAM 101, they offer web hosting as low as $13.49 PER YEAR vs $12/mo from my present streaming source. But they offer a website builder that I was able to create on my own without any knowledge of website building or codes. I AM seeing the light that $12/mo for a website is a kick in the butt.
My station is on iTunes, TuneIn, Streamitter, Streamfinder. And I am searchable through google. So, I have a presence. Just trying to cut costs and see the relay statistics in SAM. That's all.
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