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PostPosted: September 15th, 2008, 4:16 pm 
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I know I could do this with a SQL query when picking songs with a PAL script but it would help me a bunch if SAM could test time of day a track last played. In addition, making this a sort parameter (not to be confused with the current number of times played) would be useful for picking songs in manual mode. For want of a better name let's call this the Day Part Test.

The reason I ask is I noticed that some songs were not playing for a few days but when they DID play they played at roughly the same time as the last time they played. What happens is the song will be held back in accordance with the rules, in my case >2400 minutes. When it is eligible again it could sit around for a bit then eventually get queued but in the same day part because between weighting and other selection "stuff" there's nothing to prevent it. For an example, Spiral Staircase's More Today Than Yesterday was playing about every eight to ten days, which is fine, but it always played between 18:00 and 21:00. This means that folks listening in the morning or afternoon or the dead of night (ET) never hear it. This is A Bad Thing in the context of the mix because it means folks listening at the same time everyday - as they tend to do, such as at work - hear a stagnant collection of songs. I think this test might help to mix things up a bit.

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PostPosted: September 15th, 2008, 5:31 pm 
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One thing I've found that helps to mix things up is to have a PAL that changes the playlist rotation rules so it's not quite so constant.
The granularity can be from second(s) to year(s) and anywhere in between but daily seems to work well.

I change the "do not play same track" on daily basis to a range from 240 minutes (4 hours) to 720 minutes (6 hours).
Likewise, the other playlist rotation rules have their own ranges.

This helps to mix things up quite a bit more than constant rules.

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PostPosted: September 15th, 2008, 7:21 pm 
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Fester, can you share the PAL to do this?

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PostPosted: September 15th, 2008, 7:48 pm 
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Give me a day or two to clean it up and Festerize it.

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PostPosted: September 15th, 2008, 7:56 pm 
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Ahh.... Festerized... it's better than Rich, Corinthian leather.

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PostPosted: September 16th, 2008, 12:34 am 
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Sorry but I've been "tapped" to go to Oracle Tech Day 2008 at Honolulu Tues. and Wed. so it'll be a bit longer.

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PostPosted: September 16th, 2008, 9:04 pm 
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I change my rules values frequently (every time that I'm selecting a song for the queue) too, and it does seem to help mix things up well.

If, while waiting for the Festerized code, you're interested in seeing some PAL samples that apply different rule values....

The utility described here....
http://yourinternetradio.com/palviaexcel.php

Creates this PAL....
http://yourinternetradio.com/sample_output.txt

You can also use MySQL queries with varying parameters, instead of changing SAM's repeat rules values, to get a similar result.
http://yourinternetradio.com/forum/view ... f=11&t=372

Or you can wait until Festerized. :)

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PostPosted: September 16th, 2008, 9:26 pm 
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I'm familiar with George's excellent utility, but changing the rules more often isn't really the kind of solution I'm hoping for. It doesn't really solve the problem. Even with a frequent rules change, the possibility still exists that a song can sit and keep showing up at the same time of day. I like the way some schedulers handle day parts, i.e., define when a song can and can't be played, and would like to see SAM incorporate a mechanism that emulates that functionality.

I never got an answer as to the function of the flags field in the songlist table. I was toying with the idea of using it to mark songs.

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PostPosted: September 18th, 2008, 12:36 am 
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define when a song can and can't be played

Isn't that what categories are for? Aggregating songs based on some criteria such as genre, artist, lyrics that have the word "house", holiday themes, or songs that can only be played during such and such time?

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PostPosted: September 18th, 2008, 6:40 am 
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That would require moving songs between categories on a continual basis or setting every song in several categories then using clockwheels or scripts to pick the categories for a particular time of day. Not that there's anything wrong with that. :)

I'm looking for a straightforward way of saying, "Hey, it's dinnertime. The last time you played this particular song it was also dinnertime. Don't play it now."

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PostPosted: September 18th, 2008, 6:50 am 
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I like the idea... it's used in several music scheduling software programs.... we'd have to be able to set some sort of span of time for this. (ie: it played last at 6:13pm, technically 6:14pm the next day wouldn't be the SAM time.... so we'd have to say don't play it the next time ANYWHERE in the 6pm hour... or 30 minutes one way or the other)

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PostPosted: September 18th, 2008, 7:19 am 
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That's the idea. The global settings work fairly well in the big scheme of things, but it's those medium- or low-rotation tunes that keep showing up in the same portion of the day that are the poppy seed between my teeth.

I'd go as far as to say +/- a couple of hours. When I did radio, btw, our rotation precluded by a variety of methods adjacent jocks playing the same "oldies" as well as the same jock playing a song at the same time everyday, with rare exceptions (contests or promos and such.) The idea was to keep folks from wearing out their favorites.

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PostPosted: September 18th, 2008, 7:21 am 
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I like the idea. Not quite sure how the SA Developers would do it w/ SAM, but would like to see something like that, among other things.

(Still keeping my fingers crossed for a DECK C!!)

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PostPosted: September 18th, 2008, 7:45 am 
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Okay hope you guys can take a compliment

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i love following the post you and Andrew create
and the comments/solutions that Fester comes through with
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thank you for being out there!
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PostPosted: September 18th, 2008, 9:45 am 
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Aw, pshaw. :oops:

It's really the developers listening to and implementing these community suggestions that makes SAM one of the finest programs out there.

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